Hearings

House Floor

April 11, 2025
  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Will the House come to order? Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    [Roll Call] Madam Speaker, 45 Members are present. Five are excused.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Thank you. Item number two. Reading of the Journal. Representative Morikawa.

  • Dee Morikawa

    Legislator

    Madam Speaker, may this matter be deferred.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Item number three. Messages from the Governor. Mr. Clerk, are there any messages from the Governor?

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    Yes, Madam Speaker. We are in receipt of Governor's message numbers 1102 through 1118, informing the House that the noted House and Senate bills were signed into law on April 102025 and designated as Acts 2 through 18. May these matters be received and filed.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Item number four. Senate Communications. Mr. Clerk, are there any Senate communications?

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    Yes, Madam Speaker, if you and the Members will turn your attention to the addendum to today's order of the day, we are in receipt of a communication informing the House that the Senate has disagreed to the amendments proposed by the House to the noted Senate bills.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Introductions, Members, are there any introductions? Representative Hussey.

  • Ikaika Hussey

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker and colleagues, in the gallery today we have Monique Ibarra, the Executive Director of Domestic Violence Action center, and some of her staff Members. I see. And I'm a proud current, and I guess I've been for a while. I've been on the the DVAC board.

  • Ikaika Hussey

    Legislator

    And DVAC has done incredible work over the last 35 years in advocating for the survivors of domestic violence. So please welcome Monique and her staff to their House of Representatives.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Sayama.

  • Jackson Sayama

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'd like to recognize a special individual in the gallery who is a constituent board Member for the neighborhood board for St. Louis Heights, Kapahulu Diamond Head, as well as a dedicated employee of IHS, Angie Knight. If you could please stand to be recognized. Welcome to Your House of Representatives.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Matsumoto.

  • Lauren Matsumoto

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. As you all know, today is our Easter basket drive for the Women's Legislative Caucus. So I'd like to introduce the groups that we have here today. First, with the Domestic Violence Action center, we have Monique Ibarra.

  • Lauren Matsumoto

    Legislator

    We have Lonnie Moore, Ricky Esposito, Anna Peretera, Therese Patioi, Lisi Ferguson, Jordan Addison and Michael Robinson. If you can all stand and we'll give you a round of applause again. Thank you. And for the in for the Institute of Human Services again, we have Angie Knight. And we have Heather Henderson.

  • Lauren Matsumoto

    Legislator

    If we can give the Institute for Human Services a round of applause with parents and children together, we have Trisha Kajimura, Eddie Esperante, Leigh Morrison and Kaho Otake. If you can please rise. We also have the Salvation Army, Major Kimberly Stambaugh, Major Thomas Stambaugh and Letitia Bryant. If we can give them a round of applause.

  • Lauren Matsumoto

    Legislator

    And last but not least, with Mohalomai, we have Gail Johnson. If we can one more time welcome them all to their House of Representatives. Mahalo.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Kila.

  • Darius Kila

    Legislator

    Mahalo, Madam Speaker, in the gallery today I'd like to welcome a constituent dear friend Dan here. Please rise. Dan is the President and chief Executive offerer of Navian Hawaii, a nonprofit organization that provides hospice, palliative and Kupuna Care. In 2023, over 21% of Hawaii's residents are 65 years and older.

  • Darius Kila

    Legislator

    And this mission from Navian is to help each of these Residents get their 8 age age in place carefully and gracefully, with dignity and help all of our Hawaii residents. Dan, mahalo for your work and welcome to the Hawaii House of Representatives.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Grandinetti.

  • Tina Grandinetti

    Legislator

    Thank you, Speaker. Naop VI is a youth led council for the nonprofit organization a Kolumeanui. Rooted in Native Hawaiian values and dedicated to ending the cycle of intergenerational incarceration. NAOPIO 5 empowers young leaders, many of whom are directly impacted by the justice system, to heal, rise and lead through culture, advocacy and community.

  • Tina Grandinetti

    Legislator

    Grounded in the belief that our youth are sacred and central to the future of our lahui. This council provides cultural mentorship, leadership development and a platform for youth voice in policy and systems change. Through this work, Naopio Waiwai reclaims pathways for young people to thrive grounded in Aina Ohana and ike Kupuna.

  • Tina Grandinetti

    Legislator

    And today I got to meet three leaders from Naopio Waiwai's Hawaii Island Council. We have if you could please rise. Zoe Martinez, Haileke Aloha and Oakland Unea Beamer. We also are missing Oahu's Representative Ohwe Manuel, but we do have Ekolomeanui's co Executive directors, Kalei Kealoha and Dr. Jamie Miller. Thank you.

  • Tina Grandinetti

    Legislator

    I got to meet with them this morning, and it was one of my favorite meetings so far this session. Welcome to your House of Representatives, Speaker. If I could make one more introduction, Please bring. Proceed. Thank you. I'd also like to introduce Samantha Avila Gomez and Sonia Jardina, who are students at the University of Hoya at Manoa.

  • Tina Grandinetti

    Legislator

    They're amazing student leaders who are part of asuh, the University Student Government Association. And they're here today in hopes of bridging the gap between UH and the Legislature and to find meaningful ways to create more opportunities for students to be civically engaged. Welcome to your House of Representatives.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Quinlan.

  • Sean Quinlan

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. In the gallery today, we have a North Shore community leader. Some of you may recognize her from your law school days. Defender of the Ina bane of developers, former Dean Denise Antolini.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    There are no further introductions. Let's go on to the order of the day. Item number five, reports of standing committees. Representative Todd.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    Madam Speaker, I move to adopt Standing Committee report numbers 2045 through 2057, assisted on pages two through five, and that the accompanying Senate Concurrent Resolutions, as may be amended, be referred to their designated committees.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Morikawa.

  • Dee Morikawa

    Legislator

    Madam Speaker, I second the motion.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Any discussion on these items beginning with HSCR number 2045, 2046, 2047. Representative Pierick.

  • Elijah Pierick

    Legislator

    No vote.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. We're at the top of page three. Standing Committee report number 2048. 2049. Representative Pierick.

  • Elijah Pierick

    Legislator

    No vote.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. 2050. At the top of page four. Representative Shimizu.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. For SCR2050.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Please proceed.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    Oh, I. I oppose. Thank you.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Moving on to the Representative Muraoka.

  • Chris Muraoka

    Legislator

    No vote.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Moving on to the top of page four. Standing Committee Report 2051. Representative Muraoka.

  • Chris Muraoka

    Legislator

    No vote.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Representative Pierick.

  • Elijah Pierick

    Legislator

    No vote.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition with a comment. Please. Please proceed. This resolution is declaring a public health emergency relating to climate change, requiring solutions to strengthen Hawaii's public health response to to the climate crisis. And although I can appreciate the noble and righteous endeavor, my opposition lies in the uncertainty that Vice speaker spoke about.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    My opposition is trying to redirect with hope and desire to focus on specific areas that we are well aware of that need help. Our public health system has such a broad array of services and Coverages in our disadvantaged communities.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    There are so many gaps and problems in homelessness, disadvantaged communities, domestic violence and abuse, criminal justice system, our welfare system, our education system, our SNAP system which stands for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, Hawaii Public Housing Authority, housing for our disadvantaged, missing children and sex trafficking, foster care, Kupuna Care, to name a few.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    And the list can go on. Basically, I am hoping that we can be focused in our attention in identifying problems and really getting into the root of the problem. Not overanalyzing, but really getting down to specific action. And I think we could already begin doing that without another exhaustive study. My. My comments. Thank you Madam Speaker.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Alcos. No. So ordered. Let's move on to standing Committee report 20.

  • Amy Perruso

    Legislator

    Speaker Representative Perruso, my apologies. So I don't think that there's any uncertainty. Are you for. I am in strong support.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Please proceed.

  • Amy Perruso

    Legislator

    The scientific consensus is clear. Rising sea levels in Hawaii are already eroding, eroding our shorelines, damaging roads, threatening homes in coastal areas. And we know that warmer ocean temperatures contribute to coral bleaching and harm marine ecosystems which support both our local fisheries and the tourism industry.

  • Amy Perruso

    Legislator

    If we're worried about that, extreme weather events like powerful storms and hurricanes are becoming more frequent, putting a strain on infrastructure and endangering residents. Declaring a public health emergency ensures that we confront these realities so that we can develop coordinated resources and policies to safeguard our islands for future generations.

  • Amy Perruso

    Legislator

    I'm concerned about the disinformation being spread on social media about pseudoscience generated by the fossil fuel companies. But hopefully as well informed legislators, we can help educate our communities about the fallacies underlying fossil fuel company science.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Alcos, second time brief comment. Please proceed. I do.

  • David Alcos

    Legislator

    Are you still in opposition? In opposition we. I do like a cleaner environment climate. I believe my community as well wants it. But with all this climate change finance and money that we support, I still want to know what's going on with our sea level rise.

  • David Alcos

    Legislator

    I want to know what's going on with our studies that we invested millions of dollars with. I want to know, are we gaining? Are we losing the battle? All these departments come to us and ask for money for a new truck, couple more employees. When it's just say climate change.

  • David Alcos

    Legislator

    I want to know a little bit more specific in detail. How is it going to help us? Are we looking at a 10 year term? Are we. What is the plan? More specifically when they come and ask for finance and money and how it's going to protect us. Thank you.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Hussey in support. Please proceed.

  • Ikaika Hussey

    Legislator

    And the speaker wanted to address the question raised by the previous speaker, which is, and I'll just say we are losing the fight, which is why I think it's so important that this measure pass. We need to understand that climate change is not an abstract danger specifically to the environment.

  • Ikaika Hussey

    Legislator

    The environment includes people, includes our people, our 1.5 million residents of Hawaii. And I think it's important first of all and primarily that we think of climate change as something that will affect our people. And for that reason, I in support.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Thank you very much, Representative Shimizu.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. In opposition.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Please proceed.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    Still in opposition. Again, I appreciate the counter arguments by my colleagues and there's no argument that climate change is important to study.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    Again, I point to the desire and hope that our efforts would be focused in areas that we know have problems, areas that affect us daily, areas that we've been introducing many, many bills and having many, many hearings and public testimonies. Madam Speaker, point of order.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Just very broadly, I think this measure is addressing the specific link between climate change and public health. And I think we should keep the debate to that specificity.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Shimizu, please stick to the resolution at hand.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    I thought I was doing that, so my apologies if it was interpreted in a different way. Again, my hope is just to focus on problems that we know are there. So thank you again, Madam Speaker.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Belatti.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker, and strong support. Please proceed. Madam Speaker, I'd like to have the words of the representatives from Kalihi and Wahiwa entered into the journal as if they were my own. So ordered and just brief remarks. Madam Speaker, we know that climate change is a problem.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    As the previous speaker said, we are dealing with all kinds of questions and policy issues. This one, this resolution specifically talks about public health. What we know and what international organizations know is that we now have this thing called a climate refugee.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    People who are having to leave their countries because sea level rise is affecting their homes, they're being forced to leave, they are having to immigrate to places like Hawaii. We can say that some of those climate refugees are some of the hope hardest hit communities, the most vulnerable, some of those even are from our COFA communities.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    So although this resolution does not address the issue of immigration, climate refugees, when we talk about public health and the impacts of public health on or the impacts of climate crisis on public health, we're also talking about the people who are harmed, not just our people, but the people who are coming to our shores.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    And that is going to exact a toll on our communities, on our Budgets on the policies and the solutions we are going to have to fashion moving forward. So for those reasons, I strongly support this resolution that connects climate crisis and public health impacts. Thank you Madam Speaker.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Souza.

  • Kanani Souza

    Legislator

    Thank you Madam Speaker. In strong support. Please proceed. I would like the words of the representatives from Wahiawa, Kalihi and Makiki inserted into the record as my own. Thank you. So ordered. Representative Muraoka in opposition.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Please proceed.

  • Chris Muraoka

    Legislator

    You know, I just wanted to state, Madam Speaker, that I don't think anybody's against that. And my opposition comes from. I'm going to read it. Declaring a public health emergency relating to climate change. And I do want to use some of the words of our speaker before me that people are leaving because of climate change. I would.

  • Chris Muraoka

    Legislator

    I would like to also point out that people are leaving their homes here because of cost of living. Yet I haven't seen a declaration for public health emergency based. I'm done. She said.

  • Kanani Souza

    Legislator

    Anyway, the point of order. Representative Sousa, thank you. That it. His comments were not German to the bill. Thanks.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Thank you Representative Lowen.

  • Nicole Lowen

    Legislator

    Thank you Madam Speaker. In support. Please just to come back to the content of the bill relating to public health. There are very clear and real public health impacts of climate change.

  • Nicole Lowen

    Legislator

    Notably increased high heat events where you can have really serious health impacts, especially with kids in schools, the increase of vector borne diseases and issues like crop failure, water insecurity and you know, the impacts, for example of sea level rise would have if it caused our sewers to back up and then we were exposed to the kind of pathogens that can be carried by wastewater.

  • Nicole Lowen

    Legislator

    So this is actually very focused on public health impacts. There are very real health impacts of climate change and these are often overlooked in favor of some of the other things we've heard other speakers mention. And that is what this RESO is trying to accomplish.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Thank you Representative Tam.

  • Adrian Tam

    Legislator

    Thank you Madam Speaker. In support.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Please proceed.

  • Adrian Tam

    Legislator

    I would just like to have the words of the Chair of Energy and Environmental Protection inserted into the journal as if they're my own. And I also ordered. Thank you. I would also like to add that the heat impacts also affect our kupuna, many of whom live in my district.

  • Adrian Tam

    Legislator

    And I am supporting this bill, this resolution because I feel that this resolution will make a difference in their lives.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Let's move on to standing Committee report number 2052-2053-2054. Representative Amato.

  • Terez Amato

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. In strong support. Thank you. South Maui is rapidly growing and faces terrible traffic problems caused by over development without adequate infrastructure, severe flooding due because of climate change, road closures and high wildfire risks.

  • Terez Amato

    Legislator

    This resolution for the Kihei Mauka Bypass urges for the development of Kihei roads needed for safe egress in medical and other emergencies like floods and wildfires. We must have this critically needed fire evacuation route, which is why I requested CIP funds for the design.

  • Terez Amato

    Legislator

    I share this with you all today as it is my hope that this resolution will open the door for adequate funding for the safety of South Maui, which is currently a primary TAT revenue generator on Maui, my home, and also home to approximately 30,000 of my neighbors. Thank you, Speaker.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Standing Committee report number 2055. Representative Souza.

  • Kanani Souza

    Legislator

    No vote, Madam Speaker. And permission to insert written comments into the Journal.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    So ordered.

  • Kanani Souza

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Standing Committee Report 2056. 2057. Representative Amato.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    No vote.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    [Roll call]

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. No vote, please.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Representative Reyes Oda Reservations. So ordered. Okay, let's move on to standing Committee report 257. Members, we will be taking a voice vote. All those in favor, say aye. All. All those opposed, say no. The motion is carried. Representative Todd.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    Madam Speaker, I move to adopt Standing Committee report numbers 2058 through 2065 as listed on pages 6 and 7, and that the accompanying Senate Concurrent Resolutions, as may be amended, be adopted.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Morikawa Madam Speaker, I second the motion. Any discussion on these items beginning with HSCR number 2058. Representative Pierick. No vote, so ordered. 2059-2060-2061-2062-2063. Representative Pierick.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    No vote.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. 2064. 2065. Representative Souza.

  • Kanani Souza

    Legislator

    Strong support and permission to insert written comments into the Journal.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Thank you. Members, we will be taking a voice vote. All those in favor, say aye. All those opposed say no. The. The motion is carried. Members, we will be. Please turn to your Digital Action Sheets by clicking on the Action Sheet tab on the top middle of your screen.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    We will be taking up a motion to reconsider our previous action in disagreeing to the Senate amendments and give notice of the intent to agree.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    Representative Todd Madam Speaker, I move to reconsider action previously taken in disagreeing to the amendments made by the Senate and to give notice of the intent to agree to the amendments to House Bill 1194 HD2 as referenced on your Digital Action Sheets.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Morikawa. Madam Speaker, I second the motion. Any discussion? Representative Kusch.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Can you maybe just give us a moment? I see. No one's page is loading.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Okay, so we can't take a recess.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Will the House come back to order? Let's see. Is there any discussion? Representative Belatti?

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. I stand in opposition for, I believe, the motion to reconsider to accept the Senate amendments.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Please proceed.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    May I request that I have an opportunity to insert written comments?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    So ordered.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. Hopefully, briefly, you know, 2025, it's been said that these are unprecedented times, and it surely is. There is a first time for everything. And I had never thought that I would stand up to speak in opposition to a motion to reconsider agreement when that is what has been recommended.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    However, my opposition is based on procedural issues and procedural grounds. This motion to reconsider, to accept the amendments is a premature procedural move that artificially cuts off and circumvents the democratic process from playing out in. In its full and most robust form.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    Our vice speaker today gave an invocation that talked about how conference is a time when we negotiate with our counterparts amongst ourselves, with stakeholders, and that's ultimately with community. So it's for these three reasons why I oppose this motion that will cut off and circumvent the democratic process. First, negotiation with our counterparts.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    The There are no less than three drafts on the Senate side. We had two drafts on our side and multiple amendments. We deserve, the people of Hawaii deserve for us to be negotiating in conference, which is being cut off by this motion amongst ourselves.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    Madam Speaker, you know, I had really high hopes at the beginning of this year, from January 16, 2025 press release from this House where we stated a new rule, and we applauded it, that Members may be appointed to conference Committee even after voting against adoption of a resolution or bill allowing for continued input during the final deliberation stage.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    That is, opportunity is being cut off because we will not be able to go to conference. And now for our stakeholders and for our communities. And why this motion prematurely, absolutely prematurely, cuts off the opportunity for negotiation and conversation with our communities.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    We have all asked our communities to stay engaged, to call in and support amendments or support a bill in conference. This motion today will cut that process off for this community.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    And I know that if the good representative from Hawaii Kai, was here, he would say that we should have a full, robust debate because this House, this House is the marketplace of ideas.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    When we take this motion and we accept this motion, we are not letting the full marketplace of ideas move forward because we are not allowing sides that disagree vehemently to come to the negotiating table.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    I will say when you have the most conservatives and the most liberals potentially agreeing that the ultimate bill is not going to be a good bill. We in this House.

  • Sean Quinlan

    Legislator

    Madam Speaker, point of order. This is about the motion to reconsider action, not about the political parties or political leanings of anyone involved.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Please keep your comments to the motion to reconsider.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will refrain from. I'll retract that statement about how Members on both. How Members in this part in this body may come to agreement on the ultimate merits.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    But I will say, Madam Speaker, again, this vote on this motion to reconsider cuts off a vital process, a vital part of our legislative process where we can negotiate and come to more common ground. For those reasons reasons, Madam Speaker, I oppose this motion. Thank you, Representative Iwamoto.

  • Kim Coco Iwamoto

    Legislator

    Arise in opposition and ask that the words of the representative from Miki be. Entered into the journals. My own. Thank you. So ordered. Representative Amato.

  • Terez Amato

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Madam Speaker. I would also like. In opposition. I would also like to adopt the. Words of the representative from. So ordered. Representative Todd.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. In support, please proceed. And I also promise to keep things brief. I just wanted to point out that as. As our new Members may or may not be familiar with, this is relatively standard. Over the course of the next two to three weeks, we will see a,

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    I would wager dozens and dozens of bills go through an almost identical process of reconsidering the original motion to disagree, as chairs who are entering this conference process, either with or without conference proceedings, will actually agree on the final version of a bill.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    To me, this is no different, although the timing is a little bit different, partly because this does not have any direct financial impact, so it does not have to wait for the budget process to play out. I would also note that as pointed out, there have been numerous drafts.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    Not only has this been vetted out extensively through multiple hearings, probably taking more time than any other piece of legislation outside of maybe the budget, and even that's arguable. But in addition to that, this has also been vetted out over multiple years and multiple sets of legislatures. I don't think I've seen necessarily an original argument made.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    These are really just kind of philosophical disagreements that people can feel more than entitled to agree or disagree upon. And lastly, I would say, you know, the purpose of conference is largely to negotiate the differences, and it's typically between those lead chairs.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    If we have an agreement, then the conference process has played itself out on this particular measure and we will have a vote next week should this motion pass, where we will have, I am sure, extensive debate here on the House floor, which is an additional time for us to really work things out.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    And shall it pass, it will have an additional process where the Governor will have to make a final decision on that. So. So even though we've had extensive processes, we will continue to have extensive debate on this measure. And that seems fine to me.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Belatti, for the second time.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    A second time. And just a quick rebuttal and then one question of parliamentary inquiry rebuttal.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    I will agree with the majority caucus leader that, yes, this will play out many more times, but the way it will likely play out and the way it normally has played out by custom and practice is typically conference committees are convened, and then if a bill looks good and there's been opportunity to discuss and look at comp sheets and all those types of things, then there's a motion and a move to agree.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    That's done at the table in the conference Committee amongst the House conferees if it's a House Bill, or the Senate conferees if it's a Senate Bill. So this is very unusual. And secondly, Madam Speaker, just one question of parliamentary inquiry.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    Will the comp sheet for House Bill 1194, House Draft 2, Senate Draft 3, be available to the Members so that while we consider the 48 hours that we have to actually determine the merits of the bill, will we have that comp sheet available to us? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Recess subject to the call of the chair. I'll lean us back to order. Just to clarify Representative Belatti's question at the end there. Comparison sheets between the Senate and the House Bill will be available in 48 hours and uploaded to Gateway. Representative Alcos.

  • David Alcos

    Legislator

    I'm in opposition. Please proceed. I would like to take the words of the former representative of Waikiki and also, as she said, for the representative of Hawaii Kai, I think he would be standing up and agreeing with this. So in. In opposition for this bill. Thank you. Representative Todd, thank you.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    Again in support and first time speaking twice on anything. I think just as a minor technical aside, while we do have that process play out in conference, this is mostly just for the edification and speaking to the procedural motion.

  • Chris Todd

    Legislator

    While we do have that process actually play across the conference table, there also will be times where chairs have just agreed and they don't open conference because they're going to agree to the original or the most recent draft. So we will have both processes play out simultaneously and we'll try our best to keep people up to date.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Quinlan in support. Madam Speaker, please proceed.

  • Sean Quinlan

    Legislator

    I'm troubled by any insinuation that somehow there's something undemocratic about the process we are undertaking right now on a motion to reconsider. And I would like to ask a rhetorical question of everyone. What is the goal? Is the goal to pass legislation?

  • Sean Quinlan

    Legislator

    Is the goal to reach agreement with our Senate counterparts on measures that we think will be beneficial to the public? Or is the goal to engage in processes that may not be necessary but satisfy some mysterious ethereal requirement of interests that are often unknown or unsaid? So I would submit that we have done our job.

  • Sean Quinlan

    Legislator

    We've had multiple public readings. There has been an incredible amount of input over the past few years. And now that we have finally reached agreement, I don't know that there is a need to continue the process further. This is well in line with our rules. This is well in line with custom and practice.

  • Sean Quinlan

    Legislator

    Over the years, previous majority leaders have stood here in this same spot in the same seat, saying the exact same thing that I have before asking for the exact same motion. And I just want to thank all the Members for their support.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Souza.

  • Kanani Souza

    Legislator

    Thank you. Madam Speaker, I rise in opposition. Please proceed. And I would like the words of the representative from Makiki and my co-chair for the Good Government Caucus inserted into the record as my own. And her comments from both times that she stood up. Thank you.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Representative Takayama.

  • Gregg Takayama

    Legislator

    Madam Speaker. Thank you. I'd like to support the words of the Majority leader. And as the one who submitted the request for agreement, I can assure my colleagues that I have reviewed the latest Senate draft and have agreed to it. As I have with two other of spills. Thank you very much.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Representative Hussey.

  • Ikaika Hussey

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Madam Speaker, in opposition to the motion, please proceed. I'd like to raise concerns which are frankly quite nerdy and wonky. If you would please indulge me for a moment. My concern is about the way that this impacts our. Our sense of bicameralism. The, the, the construction of our Legislature. Bicameralism is designed to,

  • Ikaika Hussey

    Legislator

    historically is designed to balance two power groups. In the UK and in Hawaii, prior to the overthrow, Bicameralism was intended to balance between hereditary elites against the General public. And.

  • Ikaika Hussey

    Legislator

    But in Hawaii, you know, in our, in our current situation, really, the Senate and the House are quite identical, except that the Senate is half the number of Members. And so they. Each. Each Member of the Senate has twice the amount of power as each one of us does.

  • Ikaika Hussey

    Legislator

    In addition, they have longer terms and they have the additional power of advice and consent when we have no Corresponding unique power. And, you know, this power imbalance. I believe the one way in which it's addressed is through the conference process. And I appreciate the remarks of the representative from the North Shore.

  • Ikaika Hussey

    Legislator

    But I do think that there is a benefit to moving legislation all the way through the process. And I just want to share when the notice came out last night indicating that this was the desire of leadership. Thank you, Madam Speaker. I was curious about why, you know, why this would be our direction for this particular measure.

  • Ikaika Hussey

    Legislator

    And so I wanted to appreciate the remarks from the Health Chair indicating that this was his request. Thank you very much. And I, I have written remarks that I'd like to insert into the journal.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    So ordered. Okay. Members, we will be taking a voice vote.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    Sorry, Madam Speaker.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Arise, Representative Shimizu.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    Arise. In opposition with a comment.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Please proceed.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    I appreciate all of the input by my colleagues, and I respect the freedom we have to have different points of view and express them. I came into this floor session intending to probably approve this procedure.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    But after hearing the Chair of the Public Safety offer a passionate explanation of her reason why she is in opposition, I would have to agree that although there are different reasons to approve this procedure, I feel in the spirit of public engagement and allowing time to possibly adjust this Bill for those that oppose it, I will be in opposition.

  • Garner Shimizu

    Legislator

    So. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Perruso, with reservations. Please proceed.

  • Amy Perruso

    Legislator

    So I am uncertain. And I am uncertain because this is a very complicated measure. It's actually taken me five years to wrap my head around the issues that. Around the legislation that we passed in 2019. And I sincerely question whether I adequately understand the measure before us. And I do.

  • Amy Perruso

    Legislator

    While I am not a fan of conference Committee in General, I do appreciate the efforts to streamline and send as few measures to conference Committee as possible. It isn't precisely this kind of case where, for me, that additional time, that additional ability to negotiate would be useful. And I. I think that in this particular instance, I.

  • Amy Perruso

    Legislator

    My objective or I. My hope is that we can pass legislation that won't face legal challenge and will with great regret.

  • Sean Quinlan

    Legislator

    Madam Speaker, point of order. We're speaking about a motion to reconsider.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Yes. So please state. Stick to the motion at hand, which is to reconsider.

  • Amy Perruso

    Legislator

    Right. So I am uncertain about whether this is a wisest path forward.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Thank you, Representative Tam.

  • Adrian Tam

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. With reservations, please proceed. My reservations on this motion is that the House Draft we sent to the Senate is better than the one they sent back.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    If there are no further comments or Representative Souza still in opposition.

  • Kanani Souza

    Legislator

    Madam Speaker, Please proceed. I would like to request to insert written comments into the journal. So ordered. Just. Just a brief comment. I do think that even though this particular motion for reconsideration is a procedural motion and we are not debating the merits, I do think that this particular bill, due to perhaps.

  • Kanani Souza

    Legislator

    Perhaps its contentious nature, would benefit from the conference process. And so therefore I am in opposition. And yeah, I think we do need to increase transparency and the conference process will do that in this particular instance. Thanks.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Okay, let's move on. Members will be taking a voice vote. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed say no. The motion is carried. Members, this will appear. This measure will appear on Monday's order of the day for agree and final reading. Let's move on to item number eight. Announcements, Members? Are there any announcements? Representative Kapela.

  • Jeanné Kapela

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm also going to just say thank you to the body. I know it's been a long floor session. I wasn't expecting it to be this long. So thank you for your patience. Tonight is art at the Capitol. It's finally here, so we actually have something to celebrate.

  • Jeanné Kapela

    Legislator

    It's going to be beginning at 4:00pm in the Rotunda and also when many of our offices begin to open to the public. For art at the Capitol, we have an incredible lineup of performers including musicians, cultural practitioners, dancers, filmmakers and food vendors. Our food vendors include sweet treats from Malabi veggie dogs.

  • Jeanné Kapela

    Legislator

    And for those who love our local options, Lau Lau from Papalala's. We also have a chess exhibition that's going to be happening on the second floor. And a tea ceremony demonstrations that will happen in the Rotunda and then again on the third floor.

  • Jeanné Kapela

    Legislator

    Rounding out the evening in the auditorium starting at 6:30 will be the revival of our legislative talent show. So you won't want to miss it and please stick around. And I also have a number of thank yous to the people who made this event possible.

  • Jeanné Kapela

    Legislator

    First, I want to thank my Senate counterpart, Senator Chris Lee and his staff, the Office of the Governor, the office of the Lieutenant Governor, Rod and House Sergeant at Arms. And Senate Sergeant at Arms. House Communications, Senate Communications. The Cathy Squared. You folks are the best. Thank you.

  • Jeanné Kapela

    Legislator

    Olelo Community media, all of the legislators and their staff who are choosing to stay and keep their offices open so that the public can view our art. Thank you. And our many volunteers and vendors.

  • Jeanné Kapela

    Legislator

    I want to thank our performers, Ohana Arts, Ohina Films that will be showing local films from indie filmmakers right here in our House Chamber, the Representative from Kaimuki and Hawaii Urasenke, the Hawaii Youth Symphony, Zoe Wilkes, Hailey Cheney Kane, Miss Hawaii, who will be performing her Miss America talent, Asiana Saragossa Torres, Miss Hawaii volunteer who will be emceeing our talent Show, Ballet Hawaii 808, Breakers, Taiko center of the Pacific, Honolulu Theatre for Youth, the Hawaii Chess Federation, and an incredible artist known as lovejack who will be performing in the LG and Governor's offices.

  • Jeanné Kapela

    Legislator

    I would also really like to thank some incredible people who are in the gallery today. My staff, my office manager Ruby Jordan, my Committee Clerk Mahalia Giselman, and my legislative aide who has really taken the lead on planning art at the Capitol. These three have spent hours and hours and hours planning this event.

  • Jeanné Kapela

    Legislator

    So Emma Shel, thank you for your work on this and your leadership. Madam Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to plan art at the Capitol and I hope you all stick around to enjoy it.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Thank you for your leadership on this, for this exciting program. Representative Matsumoto.

  • Lauren Matsumoto

    Legislator

    Again to remind everybody, we have our Women's Legislative Caucus Easter Baskets. It's happening right after session, so right now, because it's been a long session. And so we're going to head up. Right to the rotunda on the Father Damien side. Please bring your baskets, please bring all. Of your staff as well.

  • Lauren Matsumoto

    Legislator

    We will need some extra help going around the barriers to take all of the baskets and give them to the different organizations. So please, we'll see you right after. Session and you'll get to see who the Easter Bunny is and the Easter Chick. Okay? Thank you.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Souza.

  • Kanani Souza

    Legislator

    Thank you. Madam Speaker. This is just a reminder that the Hawaii Future Caucus that is co chaired by myself and the representative from Hawaii island will be holding its Intro to Future Caucus zoom session today at 3:00, Hawaii time. This is being put on by the Future Caucus nationally.

  • Kanani Souza

    Legislator

    But if you are eligible and you did receive the email, please tune in at three o' clock. Thanks. Representative Marten.

  • Lisa Marten

    Legislator

    Thank you. I wanted to invite you folks to come to my office between 5:15 and 5:45 for some live violin music by. My talented office manager, Emi Horii, who I have not had the opportunity to introduce here. Also I'm sitting next to her is Scott Peters, who I have not had the opportunity to introduce my legislative aide.

  • Lisa Marten

    Legislator

    But just a little live music. Please come take advantage of our talented staff.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Thank you, Representative Sayama.

  • Jackson Sayama

    Legislator

    Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just on behalf of the Hoi Oda Sekie Foundation that will be performing the tea ceremony today, they will be having tea demonstration, offering tea candy and tea drinks at room 309 starting from 4:45. They'll have another session at 5:30 and finally at 6:30.

  • Jackson Sayama

    Legislator

    So I really welcome every one of your Members and staff to please visit. Thank you.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    If there are no further announcements, the Chair would like to remind Committee chairs that today is the lateral filing deadline for Senate Concurrent Resolutions that need to move to their final committees. Please file your Committee reports and drafts with the Chief Clerk's office by 6pm this evening. Representative Morikawa Madam Speaker, I move that.

  • Della Au Belatti

    Legislator

    This House stand adjourned until 11:30am Monday. Representative Garcia is not.

  • Nadine Nakamura

    Legislator

    Representative Reizota. Thank you, Madam Speaker. I second the motion. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed say no. The motion is carried. The House stands adjourned until 11:30am. 11:30am Monday.

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