House Floor

Will the House come to order? Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.

[Roll Call] Madam Speaker, 46 Members are present. Five are excused.

Item number two, reading of the journal. Representative Morikawa.

Madam Speaker, may this matter be deferred.

So ordered. Item number three, messages from the Governor. Mr. Clerk, are there any messages from the Governor?

Madam Speaker, there are none.

Item number four, Senate communications. Mr. Clerk, are there any Senate communications?

Madam Speaker, there are none.

Okay, on introductions. Members, are there any introductions? Representative La Chica.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. As we close out a wonderful celebration of Education Week, on behalf of the Chair of Education and myself and the Education Committee and the House of Representatives, I just wanted to welcome our guests in the gallery who are here today on behalf of our LifeSmarts awardees.

So if you're here on behalf of our awardees, please rise. Please rise. And welcome to your House of Representatives. Madam Speaker, may please insert their names into the journal? Madam Speaker, I have two more introductions. I would also like to recognize our Mililani Mauka Neighborhood Chair.

As well as the Deputy Director for the DCCA, as well as the Administrator for the LifeSmarts program. Well, first one, the Deputy Director, Mr. Dean Hazama. Please rise. And the our state LifeSmarts Administrator, Ms. Theresa Kong Kee. Welcome to your House of Representatives. And my final one.

He's not in the gallery, but he is upstairs in the office. But they are watching probably right now and feeding my children mac and cheese. But today is our 10th anniversary, so I just wanted to wish my husband a happy anniversary. So happy anniversary to my dearest honey. Happy anniversary.

Representative Yamashita.

Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. In the gallery, I'd like to welcome my classmate and former Representative Pono Chong, along with his children to the gallery. Help me welcome them.

Representative Pierick.

Thank you. In the gallery today, we have Sean. He's one of the interns we have for the District 39 office. Mahalo for being here.

Representative Grandinetti.

Thank you. I'd like to introduce one of my dearest friends and favorite people in the whole world, Kawaipuna Kalipi. She is the land back manager for the Molokai Heritage Trust and or land back manager for Sustainable Molokai and interim director of the Molokai Heritage Trust. Welcome to your House of Representatives.

Representative Woodson.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Joining us in the gallery today is my office team. We have Christine Kubota, who is our Committee Clerk for your Committee on Education. Christine, please stand. I can't see, so she may or may not be there. We also have Angelique Ramos.

She is the one responsible for putting together Education Week. Is Christine there? Angelique is there. Okay. And then last but not least, we have Lauren Caldwell. She is our office manager and she is the one that keeps things as they should be. Is Caldwell there? Okay. Welcome, girls.

Members, any further introductions? If not, we'll move on to the order of the day. We have a floor presentation, item number five. Mr. Clerk, are there any floor presentations?

Yes, Madam Speaker. We have one floor presentation today, House Resolution number 211, congratulating the first and second place teams at the 2025 Hawaii LifeSmart State Competition and 2025 United States Senate Youth Program Delegate. This resolution is offered by Representative Tam.

Representative Tam.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to adopt the resolution.

Representative Woodson.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I second.

It has been moved and seconded that the resolution be adopted. Any discussion? Representative Tam.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On behalf of the Hawaii House of Representatives, I would like to once again express our sincerest gratitude to the students, teachers, faculty, and schools for their exceptional contributions to our community.

Today, we will be recognizing student awardees whose dedication to excellence, hard work, and perseverance have set them apart, inspiring others and making a positive impact in their school and community. I would like to congratulate the team Iolani Raiders for winning first place in this year's Life Smarts State Competition.

The Life Smarts Program is a free national educational program that teaches the students critical life skills needed to succeed in a modern global marketplace. Iolani Raiders consists of Captain Kevin Flemmings, Jeremy Choi, who's representing them—his team—on the floor today, please stand, Ryan Chan, Tyler Hijirita, Cade McDevitt, and Coach Kit Yu Wong, who are in the Gallery today.

After dedicating numerous of hours of preparation, the Iolani Raiders competed in the statewide final hosted at the Neo Espre Sales Center and emerged victorious, securing first place in the competition.

Please join me in congratulating the Iolani Raiders on their success and wishing them the best of luck in the upcoming competition in Chicago next month. Madam Speaker, I yield to my colleague from...

Representative Hashem.

Speaker, it is my honor to congratulate the second place team which is the second place team of the 2025 Life Smarts competition which is Kalani High School that resides in my district. So, Kalani High School's team is known as Kalani 5.1. It is comprised of Koki Oda. Koki, please stand.

Also in the gallery are team members Leila Fernando—Florendo. Leila, you're here? Okay. And Coach Mike Zane. Mike, are you here? And Principal Mitch Ohtani. Is Mitch Ohtani still here? No? Oh, he left. Okay. Mitch Ohtani was here earlier.

And unfortunately, team members that weren't able to make it is Zhou Lin Chen, Eileen Kang, and the Team Captain, Jay Ah Rong He. Please join me in congratulating Kalani High School's team. Their dedication and countless hours of preparation and strong teamwork earned them an impressive second place in this highly competitive event.

And once again, I want to thank Kalani High School and congratulate them for their second, for their second place—second place win. I yield to my colleague from Kahalui.

Representative Woodson.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In strong support.

Please proceed.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am honored to recognize Mr. Wilson Chow from Maui High School as a 2025 U.S. Senate Youth Program delegate. Please stand. Are you standing? Please give him a round of applause right now. Thank you.

Mr. Chow is a senior at Maui High School and serves as President of the student body and holds—and holds leadership roles in as the Treasurer of the Rotary Interact Club and Captain for both the Robotics and Cyber Patriots Team.

Passionate about our community, Mr. Chow is ambassador for pledge our—to our keiki and supports environmental initiatives and has been involved in mental health advocacy and wildfire recovery efforts in Lahaina. Mr. Chow plans to pursue a degree in economics and has the goal of creating meaningful change through public service, advocating for Hawaii's youth and preserving the local community for future generations.

Please join me in congratulating Mr. Wilson Chow for an impressive—impressive achievements. I'm going, I'm going to get glasses this year. I'm going to get glasses. I, I yield that. And on a personal note, Madam Speaker, let me just say that the House and Senate does not choose the awardees.

But I was pleased to see Wilson Chow's name. And that's because Wilson Chow is a friend of the family. Wilson Chow is close friends with my son, Jevin. And earlier this week, I was having a conversation with my daughter. Her name is Jimry. She's in middle school. And I said, we are honoring Wilson Chow on the floor.

And she said, oh, yeah, dad, that makes sense. Wilson Chow is locked in. And if you don't know what that means, Madam Speaker, that means that that's someone that is very focused and always brings her A game. So, in another sentence, I would say you, Madam Speaker, you are very locked in.

So, Wilson Chow, thank you for joining us. Congratulations again. And so, Madam Speaker, as Education Week 2025 comes to a close, I want to thank all of our teachers, our students, our staff, and our schools for their participation.

All of your efforts make Hawaii a better place, and it affords us the opportunity to all have a brighter future. Thank you.

Members, any further discussion on the resolution? Okay. Seeing none. Members, we'll be taking a voice vote. All those in favor say aye. The motion is carried. Representative Tam, please proceed with the certificate and lay presentation.

The Chair will call a recess to honor the Members of the—to allow the Members of the House to meet and congratulate the honorees. Recess.

Will the House come to order? Item number six, Reports of Standing Committees. Representative Todd.

Madam Speaker, I move to adopt Standing Committee report numbers 1406 through 1504 as listed on pages 1 through 26, and that the accompanying Senate bills as may be amended, pass second reading and or be referred to their designated committees.

Representative Morikawa. Madam Speaker, I second the motion. Members, is there any discussion on these items beginning with Standing Committee report number 1406, 1407, 1408. Representative Pierrick. No vote. So ordered. Representative Muraoka.

Same request. So ordered.

Representative Amato. Reservations so ordered. Standing Committee Report 1409, report number 1410,1411 representative Garcia. No vote. So ordered. Report 1412, representative Pierick. No vote. So ordered. Report 1313, representative Pierrick. No vote. So ordered. Report 114, representative Garcia. No vote. So ordered. Representative Pierick. No vote. So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. With reservations, please.

So ordered. Representative Muraoka. Reservations. So ordered. Representative Alcos. No vote. So order. Standing Committee report 1415 report 1416, representative Garcia. No vote. So ordered. Representative Reyes Oda.

Reservations. So ordered.

Report 1417, Representative Garcia. No vote. So ordered. Representative Pierick. No vote. So ordered. Representative Alcos. No vote. So ordered. Representative Matsumoto.

Reservations so ordered.

Report 1418. Report 1419, 1420 Representative Pierick. No vote. So ordered. 1421,1422 Representative Pierick. No vote. So ordered. Report number 1423. 1424,1425 Representative Garcia. Reservations. So ordered. Representative Alos. Same request. So ordered. Representative Kila.

Madam Speaker, at the appropriate time, may you please go back to SCR1416. Please. Please.

Okay, let's finish up on 1425. Okay. No further discussion of 1425. We'll turn back to standing Committee report 1416, representative Kila.

Madam Speaker, reservations please.

So ordered. Same request. Representative Alos. Same request. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, Members, turning Back to page 6. Standing Committee Report 1426, 1427, 1428, 1429, 1430, 1431 Representative Shimizu.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in support with reservations. I support the concept of establishing these readiness centers and definitely training our community and leaders to be trained in the case of an emergency. My reservation is with the physical portion of this bill that probably will cost a lot. And I feel that again, we need more.

More planning and preparation before we start to appropriate monies and. And start this process. So, I think that portion is what I have reservations about. Thank you.

Standing Committee report 1432,1433 top of page nine. 1434, 1435, 1436, 1437, 1438 representative Pierick.

No vote. So ordered.

Report number 1439, representative Perruso. A no.

A no vote and request to submit written comments.

So ordered. Representative Pierrick. No vote. So ordered. Standing Committee Report 1440,1441,1442 Representative Amato. No vote. So ordered. 1443, 1444, 1445 top of page 12. 1446, 1447 Representative Garcia. Reservations. So ordered. 1448,1449,1450 Representative Garcia. Reservations. So ordered. Representative Muraoka. No vote. So ordered. Representative Alos. No vote. So ordered. Representative Pierick. No vote. So ordered.

Standing Committee Report 1451,1452,1453 Representative Garcia. Reservations. So ordered. 1454, Representative Amato. Reservations. So ordered. Representative Garcia. No vote. So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in support with reservations.

Please proceed.

My reservations is the testimony that was received from judiciary which noted that with these additional equipment, the amount of cases that they anticipate will be unmanageable for them. So that is a concern. Thank you.

Representative Alcos. No vote. So ordered. Standing Committee report 1455, 1456, 1457, 1458, top of page 151459 representative Muraoka. No vote. So ordered. Representative Matsumoto. Same request. So ordered. Representative Grandinetti.

Thank you, Speaker. Standing in strong support.

Please proceed.

Madam Speaker. Immigrants are an integral part of our community, and many of them, both documented and undocumented, are living in fear because of the current federal Administration.

In my office, this issue hits close to home, and with permission from my office manager, Emily Cristobal, I wanted to share that her and her family are navigating the difficult process of trying to help her auntie, who is currently detained at an ICE facility in Tacoma, Washington.

Her auntie is a green card holder, a permanent resident who is legally allowed to live in the United States. She moved to Hawaii when she was just 14 years old, and now, at 64 years old, she's stuck at a detention center, forced to wear a yellow uniform with minimal contact with her family.

When she was first detained in February, Emily's aunt didn't know her rights and was unaware that she needed to seek legal counsel, which is costly and unaffordable for many. Emily and her family are paying thousands and thousands of dollars to secure legal representation for her aunt.

And even with representation, they were told just this week that the next available immigration court hearing is not until July.

As of right now, Emily's aunt is preparing to wait until, wait at this detention facility for four long, uncertain and terrifying months, she won't be able to go to her work as a lab tech at the University of Washington. And she could lose her job.

The targeting of our immigrant community is not just something happening on our phones and TV screens. This is a reality that's impacting our staff, our friends, our families, and our loved ones. It not only impacts people's livelihoods, but most importantly, can tear families apart.

Under the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution, all people who live in the United States have the right to legal counsel in criminal proceedings, regardless of immigration status. Ironically, because immigration related proceedings are civil, not criminal, this right is not guaranteed in cases like the one Emily's family is encountering.

This measure would respect the rights of our immigrant community and ensure they have access to the resources they need for a fair and just court proceeding. For this reason, and out of respect for my office manager Emily, and in solidarity with her Ohana, I stand in strong support of this measure. Thank you.

[roll call]

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in support with reservations. I'd like to acknowledge the previous testimony and support, but I do have reservations. Thank you.

Turning next is standing Committee report 1460. 1461, Representative Pierick.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Muraoka.

Reservations, please.

So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition.

Please proceed.

I believe we. We do currently have a process to accomplish what this bill is asking for, and I believe we should not bypass this procedure. Thank you.

Representative Garcia.

Reservations.

So ordered. Standing Committee report 1462. 1463, Representative Garcia.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Muraoka.

Same request.

So ordered. Representative Pierick.

No vote.

so ordered. Representative Kong.

So ordered. Representative Matsumoto.

No vote.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Alcos.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition with brief comment, please. You know, this bill would take away blank votes or people who leave it blank. And I believe that we disenfranchise voters who make the effort to register to vote, and sometimes there are valid reasons why a voter may choose to leave it blank. They're undecided. They're not sure.

I can give an example of recent amendments that are so worded in a way that is so confusing that a voter does not know what to do. So, you know, I can relate to that. And even as I vote here, sometimes I'm not sure, and I wish there was an option to check the undecided. So for that reason, I feel that we should not disqualify people who leave a blank vote. Thank you.

Representative Reyes Oda.

Reservations.

So ordered. Representative Perruso.

In strong support. Madam Speaker, it occurs to me that voting is both a right and a responsibility. And I think that one thing I very much appreciated about the extension of time that voters have with their ballots with our mail in voting process.

Because we have additional time to do research, and we have additional time to try to better understand the nuances of the measures before us and the candidates before us. So I think that it's reasonable to ask voters to, just as we are asked in this body, to vote either yes or no on the measures before us, that we can have that same expectation for voters who have time now to do their homework. Thank you.

Representative Garcia.

In opposition. Thank you, Madam Speaker. One of the biggest reasons why people leave their Con Am questions blank is because they simply don't understand what it's saying. I can, I mean, I'm sure all of us here have had family and friends reach out. How do I vote on this? Because nobody understands the lingual.

In recent years, the Supreme Court struck down a proposed Con Am from this building because the language wasn't simple enough to understand for the average person. If this bill passes, by the way, Hawaii already has a very low voter engagement.

Always under 40% ish. If this bill passes, we are going to give those who do participate in voting on those Con Ams, about 15 to 20% of our entire state population, the ability to amend our state constitution. I don't think it's a good idea. No vote.

Representative Souza.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In strong support. And can I have the words of the Representative from Wahiawa inserted into the record as my own?

So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Still in opposition. I acknowledge the testifier who was... Excuse me, my colleague who was in support. I would agree in theory, that people have, quote, enough time to do their research. But it's been my experience, especially as a campaigner, going door to door, talking to people, regular people like us.

They're so busy, they don't have the time to research. And it's not any fault of theirs. It's just that life is very busy. Both parents working jobs, trying to pay bills. For them to be aware and confident of their vote for every single candidate, for every single issue can be a stretch.

And I would hope that the voters would take the time to research, and that would be a great goal, but I think we're not there yet. And I believe that by, again, disqualifying blank votes is a disqualification of people, well, meaning people that should not be erased. Thank you.

Representative Muraoka.

Thank you, Speaker. Can I... In opposition. And can I have the words from my colleague from Ewa and Varona Village adopted as my own?

So ordered. Turning to standing Committee Report 1464, [roll call]. Standing Committee Report 1465,1466,1467,1468,1469, 1470. Top of Page 18. 1471, 1472,1473,1474,1475. [roll call]. Please proceed.

This Bill basically reallocates our $1.5 million, excuse me, 1.5 million residents tax dollars towards low income people that can't afford the electric Bill.

Instead of decreasing the regulation in our state to allow for more, you know, competitors when it comes to providing electricity, we're instead going to tax people and then use those tax dollars to give to low income people so they can pay their electric Bill. I don't support that. I'm voting no.

Standing Committee report 1476. Representative Garcia.

No vote.

So ordered. Report number 1477. Representative Garcia.

Reservations.

So ordered. Report number 1478. Representative Pierick.

No vote

So ordered. Report number 1479,1480,1481,1482,1483,1484 Representative Pierick.

No vote.

So ordered. Standing Committee report number 1485, Representative Shimizu.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition.

Please proceed.

My opposition is the fact that this Bill leaves a blank appropriation. And I'm uncomfortable leaving that option open. So that's. That's the basis of my opposition. Thank you.

Standing Committee Report 1486, 1487 Representative Kila.

Reservation speaker

So ordered. Representative Reyes Oda.

Reservations.

So ordered.

Representative Garcia.

So ordered. Representative Muraoka.

Same request.

No vote, please.

So ordered. Representative Alcos.

With reservations

So ordered. Representative Lee.

Reservations

So ordered. Turning next to standing Committee Report 1488, Representative Amato.

Reservations

So ordered. Report number 1489, Representative Garcia.

Reservations

So ordered.

Report Number 1490, Representative Garcia.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Muraoka.

Same request.

So ordered. Representative Reyes Oda.

Reservations.

So ordered. Representative Alcos.

Reservations.

So ordered. Representative Matsumoto.

Same request.

So ordered. Representative Shimizu

With reservations, please.

So ordered. Standing Committee report number 1491. Number 1492. Representative Pierick.

In opposition.

Please proceed.

This Bill would potentially lead to increased electricity costs in our state and HECO already has some very high paid leaders and instead of just, you know, scooping out of their salaries to get decrease the cost of electricities for our rent payers, or I should say our utility users, this is going to.

This Bill is going to allow HECO to increase their costs, increase their rate. So I'm voting no.

Representative Garcia.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Muraoka.

So ordered.

Same request.

Representative Reyes Oda.

Reservations.

So ordered. Standing Committee Report 1493. Representative Amato.

Reservations.

So ordered. Representative Perruso.

No vote.

So ordered. Standing Committee report number 1494. Representative Pierick.

No vote.

So ordered. Top of page 24. Standing Committee report 1495,1496 Representative Pierick.

For 1495 and 1496. No vote.

Okay, let's go back to 1495. Representative Pierick, you're a no vote on 1495.

No vote. Thank you.

Any further discussion on 1495? Okay, then we'll move on to 1496. And Representative Pierick, you're a no vote on 1496.

No vote.

Great. Thank you. Representative Garcia.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Reyes Oda.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Muraoka.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Matsumoto.

Same request.

So ordered. Representative Alcos.

Same request.

So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

Thank you. Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition.

Please proceed.

I am strongly against gambling in Hawaii, as I feel that is going to be an open door for many social ills. So I am strongly opposed to gambling. Thank you.

Representative Hussey.

No vote, please.

So ordered.

No vote. And request to submit written comments, please.

Representative Perruso.

So ordered.

Representative Grandinetti.

No vote, please.

So ordered. Representative Marten.

No vote, please.

So ordered. Representative Belatti.

Reservations.

So ordered. Standing Committee report 1501. Representative Reyes Oda.

So ordered. Representative Templo.

Reservations.

So ordered.

Representative Lowen.

Reservations

So ordered.

Standing Committee report number 1497. 1498. Representative Pierick.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. With reservations, please.

So ordered. Okay, top of page 25. Standing Committee report 1499. Representative Amato. No vote for Representative Amato. So ordered. Standing Committee Report 1500. Representative Garcia.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Reyes Oda.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Pierick.

No vote.

Reservations.

So ordered.

Representative Muraoka.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Garcia.

Reservations.

So ordered. Representative Amato.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Pierick

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition.

Please proceed.

You know, I try as best as I can to do the right thing and trying to make the decision on whether I should vote yes or no, and trying to really pray for divine inspiration, wisdom, and for some reason, I felt like I needed to vote no on this.

I confess I don't know enough about this subject, but I did not want to compromise and vote for a bill that I didn't really understand. So that's the reason that I'm voting no right now. Thank you.

Turning next to standing Committee report 1502, Representative Reyes Oda.

Reservations.

So ordered. Representative Garcia.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Muraoka.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Alcos.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Matsumoto.

Same request.

So ordered. Representative Pierick.

So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

No vote.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. With reservations, please.

So ordered. Okay, top of page 26, signing Committee report 1503. Representative Garcia.

So ordered. Representative Muraoka.

No vote.

In opposition.

Please proceed.

You know, this bill. This bill seems to want to shun the blame onto taxpayers. And it's a pretty ugly situation when the CEO of HECO gets paid $6.5 million, 58 times the average employee makes. This bill, along as with SB 1492, continues to put the burden of cost back on a customer for negligence that the company does.

So for that, I'm in opposition.

Representative Amato.

No vote.

So ordered. Representative Shimizu.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition.

Please proceed.

As my colleague just explained, I think this body has tried to be very understanding and supportive of who Hawaiian Electric and for their CEOs, presidents, leaders to get millions of dollars of raises is quite a affront to the public who is struggling with their own finances.

So I'd like to oppose this bill as a protest to HECO's raises. Thank you.

Representative Alcos.

With reservations.

So ordered. Representative Pierick.

No vote.

So ordered. Okay. Standing Committee report 1504. Okay, Members, we will be taking a voice vote on these items. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed say no. The motion is carried. Item number seven. Announcements, Members, are there any announcements? Representative Garcia?

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker and colleagues, I rise on a point of personal privilege to read a statement from the honorable representative of District 18, Hawaii Kai, Kalama Valley, Gene Ward. The statement reads as follows. Aloha. This morning, a letter of resignation was tendered to Madam Speaker.

I will resign from my seat in the House of Representatives effective at the end of this month. As you know, over the past few months I have experienced several health setbacks, including anemia and Sciatica. Recently, I was diagnosed with pneumonia. The recovery from various health issues have been a slow and painful process.

Despite the many efforts of medical professionals, my recovery has been much slower and more painful in the last few weeks. In light of the recent pneumonia diagnosis, I found myself at a difficult crossroads to decide my future as a Member of the Hawaii State Legislature.

Having served the great people of East Honolulu for nearly 27 years, it is with a heavy heart that I have decided to step away from my role in what I have always considered the People's House.

Embedded in the preamble of our state constitution, which we have all sworn to uphold, "we reaffirm our belief in a government of the people, by the people and for the people."

Remember that the seat you now sit in is not your own, but the people's. Advocate for your constituents, concerned with the passion and humility they deserve. It has been the utmost privilege to serve the great people of Hawaii Kai, Kalama Valley and Port Law. I wish you all well, continuing to serve the people of Hawaii.

With the warmest aloha, your friend and colleague, Gene Ward.

Thank you, Representative Garcia. Members, if there are no further announcements for the motion to adjourn, Representative Morikawa.

Madam Speaker, I move that this House stand adjourned until 12 o' clock noon Monday.

Representative Garcia

Madam Speaker, I second the motion.

All those in favor say aye. All those opposed say no. The motion is carried. The House stands adjourned until 12 o' clock noon Monday.