Senate Standing Committee on Water, Land, Culture and the Arts

Good afternoon. We're convening the Committee on Water, Land, Culture, and the Arts on our 1:00 PM agenda, here in State Capitol Conference Room 224. We have a number of resolutions on the agenda today, so we've asked folks to keep their testimony concise since we have your written testimony.

So, we'll be limiting folks to one minute to make sure that we'll have time to get to all the testifiers and have them have the opportunity to share their thoughts. So, up first is SCR 163 and SR 154, which we'll take together, as we will with all resolutions, reaffirming the legislature's commitment to participate as a member of the legislature in the Pacific Inter Parliamentary Assembly. And testifying first on SCR 16—actually, we do not have testimony on 163, 154.

Is there anyone wishing to testify on SCR 163 or SR 154? Hearing none.

Alright. Let's move on to the next measure, SCR 57 and SR 55, endorsing Taiwan's international participation in supporting the signing of a United States Taiwan agreement on avoidance of double taxation and liberating sister state relationship between the state and Taiwan. We also have no one signed up to testify. Is there anyone wishing to testify in these measures this afternoon?

Hearing none. We're moving on to SCR 169, SR 160, establishing a sister state relationship between the state of Hawaii and the prefecture of Yamagata, Japan. Signed up to testify first is DBEDT.

Aloha, Chair, Committee members. Davis Lane with DBEDT. DBEDT stands in strong support of this resolution.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Up next is the Hawaii Yamagata Kenjinkai.

Chair, vice chair, I stand on my testimony in support.

Oh, thank you. And finally, Chamber of Commerce of Hawaii. Thank you. Okay, that's everybody who had signed up on SR—SCR 169 and SR 160.

Is there anyone else wishing to testify? Hearing none. Are there any questions? If not, thank you everybody. Let's move on to the next measure, SCR 108, authorizing the issuance of a perpetual nonexclusive easement covering a portion of state submerged lands at Waialae Honolulu for drainage and repair and maintenance. And testifying on SCR 108 is DLNR.

Thank you. That's everyone who had signed up to testify on SCR 108. Is there anyone else wishing to testify in this measure? Hearing none. Are there any questions?

Yes.

Vice Chair.

What's that, DLNR? Okay. Sometime ago, a couple of years ago, and reason I ask is this Senator Chang's, introduced this measure.

There were some issues or some problems, but it wasn't are we speaking? It says, existing drainage purposes. So, I would assume that would be on the water's edge, but weren't there some problems on the highway?

On the highway? I'm not sure. I know that there was...

So, this particular one, Waialae is large. I mean, yes, with golf course and everything around it. So, where is this taking us to? This resolution. And I know you're not the introducer, so, sorry.

This is the water side of the resort. It's kind of the beachfront of the resort.

Okay. Isn't there an issue right now with something pending?

Not, not to my understanding.

Being sued or there's some kind of issue with the land or.

So, there were concerns about the resort putting chairs out front on the sand portion.

Beach side.

But to my knowledge, we, we work with the permittee, and they're not supposed to be doing it. And for, to our understanding, they're not doing the presets. Okay. Presets meaning putting out...

So, do you know, like, this resolution, what they're—what we're talking about?

Yes. This is for 3, 3 separate easements. And we're just asking that you basically separate the three easements to show—it's, it's more for internal drafting of the lease documents.

Okay. So, would this resolution be a little more cumbersome, or?

The way it's written, yes. So, that's why we're asking if you basically just split to make it clear that it's three separate.

Yeah. Because we're talking about Waialae and we're talking about Cocoa Head Lagoon and I'm from—I'm not from here, but I know the island. And so, that's the questions I'm asking. So, we're really not talking about the Waialae area, as well.

It takes into several areas in this one resolution.

No. So, to, to try and clarify, it is on one tax key, one parcel ID, but there's three separate easements within that parcel. So, we're just trying to ask to clarify that it is three separate easements, but on that one property.

Good. You did your job.

Yes. Absolutely.

I, well, again, you know, it's for us who has to approve, you know, these, resolutions or any legislation that comes before us. We'll have to make clear what we're voting on. And I'm sorry, but I'm gonna ask questions. So, but I'm glad I did because it's kind of interesting.

It seems like there's more than just the word Waialae. Thank you. Thank you, Chair.

Yep. Further questions?

We'll let the chair decide what he wants to do.

I have a, a question. Did you folks already—did DLNR take a look at this?

Yes.

Oh, okay.

So, the board approved it. We're just going through the process where it has to go through the majority of the Senate and House.

Okay, so you need this resolution. Thank you.

There's no further questions. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks a lot. Appreciate your attendance.

Let's move on to the next set of measures, SCR 159, SR 150, urging the adoption of shared guiding principles for the restoration of Waikiki Beaches. Testifying first is OPSD. Thank you. And DLNR?

Good afternoon, Chair and Vice Chair. Michael Kane on behalf of DLNR. We also stand on our testimony in support. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay. That's everybody who had signed up to testify. Is there anyone else wishing to testify in these measures? Hearing none. Are there any questions? None? Okay.

Thank you, everybody. Let's move on to SCR 58 and SR 56, urging the Division of Boating and Ocean Recreation of the DLNR to develop a progressive enforcement framework for parking violations. Testifying first is DOBR. Thank you. Signed up next is Kate Thompson.

Hello, chair Chris Lee and Lorraine Inouye. It's great to see everybody again. My name is Kate Thompson. I'm the director of surfparking.org and Surf Parking Coalition.

I would like to take a couple—the, the full minute here because we've been working on this for four years, which is basically to create a, a citation stage. So, initially, we wrote a 200-person petition asking for ground signage, like, in the voting area to put permit only so people don't pay to park and be towed. So, 9,300 cars have been towed in the last four years.

There's proof of that in the written testimony, and only 34 parking tickets have been given in that same four year period. And although the DOBR, DLNR, are asked for—are saying that they don't have the, the rules for this, they've had plenty of time to work on some HARs to protect themselves.

It's not fair to say that DOCARE officers are the only people to give parking tickets and then not staff with DOCARE officers. And now, they wanna use a license plate reader car to tow people after only a written warning would be the first penalty.

So, I'm available for questions. Thank you.

Thank you.

Up next is Ilikai Vacation Rental Cleaners and support staff. If not, Dragon Boat USA, on Zoom.

Not present on Zoom, Chair.

Thank you. That's everybody who signed up to testify on these measures. Is there anyone else wishing?

I think I submitted written testimony, Chair. I actually did see.

Which one?

For the, for the record, I'm Louis Ertsechik. I'm the Vice Chair of the Waikiki Neighborhood Board, and I'm here in that capacity today. We, the board hasn't taken a position on this resume because of the because it just came out. But I can tell you that this issue came to our board a while ago, and we wrote an official letter to DLNR essentially requesting the same thing that this resolution does.

So, I think we've been concerned that it kinda makes no sense that if somebody is just has, is sitting there with an expired meter, that instead of giving them a ticket, they're just getting towed.

So, so, it, it's ridiculous, quite, quite frankly. And I think we asked the DLNR and around long enough to know when you get answers from, from the bureaucracy that don't always make you feel like you're getting a good answer. I think that's kinda, kinda how we feel. And so, we would like to see the legislature go on record as, you know, basically asking them and requesting them to do something about this because the current practice just makes no sense. So, thank you.

You're talking about 58, yeah?

58.

Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Chair.

Anybody else on SCR 58 and SR 56? Hearing none. Any questions? Just real quick for DLNR. Thanks, obviously, this is not, I think, the first year—I haven't even been on this committee, and this is not the first year that this has come up. We've heard about it quite a bit, but every year.

With respect to towing versus citations, I know in your testimony you had alluded to some ongoing rules to address some of that. Would that meaningfully change the towing versus ticketing situation?

So, I'll talk to Shima for DOBR. So, yes, we do have rules that cover enforcement of our parking lots. And I'm not sure if we said we've had any amendments, but we do have the authority to site through DOCARE and to tow. What, what we have planned is the—I think we mentioned our LPR proposal that we believe would have some meaningful changes. We're working on the contract right now.

It's under AG review. And we also did say in our testimony, if we were to cite, the penalties would be a $100 for the first violation, $200 for a second violation, and $500 for third and subsequent violations. So, it's a substantial fine that if we can't avoid that harsh of a penalty, we're trying to do the LPR system with the warnings first.

Under the—assuming the LPR program goes forward, it would then be, per your testimony, warnings first, then enforcement?

And towing, yes. Right now, our proposal is to have two non-punitive warnings before they're eligible for tow.

Is citation in there somewhere?

Citation is possible if DOCARE responds, but we can't say consistently or that they would cite consistently because DOCARE has a wide scope to their mission, and we think they're better off—or they're better enforcing conservation natural resources.

But just for—I mean we have obviously parking in all sorts of different places, and different agencies handle enforcement differently, but many of them can cite. Have you guys ever thought about actually asking for that authority? I mean not for DOCARE but for DOBOR.

From what I understand, DOBOR did have authority in the past to cite, but it wasn't consistent. So, DOBOR had asked for that to be removed because there was favoritism and inconsistent enforcement. It's possible we could follow something like what DAGS does, so they have deputized parking officers who monitor state parking lots, but we don't have anything proposed for that. DOBOR doesn't have anything proposed for that.

Is this something where you need statutory authority, or was it?

I'm not sure. That's a question for the AG, but I believe so.

Okay. Thank you.

Can I add, with that said, but you already went before the board on the LPR technology, so, you already are working with the contract. Right? So, how are you going to make another change or request?

So, the current—it's a concession contract. The current concession contract is for parking enforcement.

And that's—the plans are to do a concession process?

So, the, the plan for the LPR is a—I'm not sure what the term is, but it's like an amendment or an addition so that they can add the LPR into the concession contract, so we don't have to do a brand new one.

Okay. Bring us up to speed. I know we had hearings with regards to the privatization of Ala Wai. Are we, is the, are the bills moving or it died or what? Because the privatization also includes the parking, I would think. So, is the privatization bill still moving or it died or what?

As far as we know, the privatization bill, that's SB 2367, it did pass house, water, land. It's moving on to finance. I thought though that this committee had amended that measure to carve out the parking to make sure that it remains free parking for recreational users.

Okay. So, with, with this resolution before us, we're still talking about parking violations. So, where are we?

As far as parking?

Yeah. Because the—what the board already passed or is looking at your the new process is to do this LPR technology, which is a concession.

So, yes, the board did approve DOBOR to contract with the parking vendor, parking concessionaire, to implement this LPR technology, but we need to finalize a contract with our attorneys and then execute it. That's where we're at now. We're looking at—I think we had said it in our testimony—hopefully, by second quarter of 2026, we'll have the LPR operational.

What happens if our bill passes?

The privatization bill?

Yeah.

That carves out the parking, so that wouldn't be covered by the privatization. That would still fall under the current enforcement mechanism or with the LPR.

With the LPD—LPR. Okay. Lot of work to do. Thanks, Chair.

Yep.

Yeah, thank you. Alright, let's move on to the next set of measures SCR 103 and SR 97. Urging the Division of State Parks of DLNR to convene a task force to improve state parks and develop appropriate branding and narratives for parks, landmarks, and other places. Testifying first on 103, sorry, we don't have anyone signed up to testify on these measures. Is there anyone else wishing to testify? Good afternoon.

Good afternoon, Chair, Vice Chair. Members. Alan Carpenter, administrator for State Parks. Apologies for not getting in written testimony. I was traveling and been under the weather. Like it sounds like the Chair is too, but we definitely support you supporting us in this way.

Appreciate the effort. I know we've had discussions about this, and it's something that we need and look forward to. Many of the things embedded in here, we've already begun to some degree, and this sounds like a good way to consolidate them. Glad to work with the Chair and Chair Hashem, on this moving forward.

Thank you. Anybody else?

Question. Sorry. Just to change, not to change the subject, but anything happened to state parks with all the rains that we've had? Any issues that you can summarize and see where we're at?

Sure. The the biggest issue statewide was downed trees due to winds and saturated soils.

All islands?

All islands.

Yeah.

And the biggest impacts to a single island or park unit is actually caught in a point here, where we had multiple landslides on the Mokolilla side, which has impacted the unimproved road that we give off road vehicle access to by permit. And on the Wai'anae side, Makuwa section in particular, a historic bridge collapsed and had other damage to roads and infrastructure.

So what's, what's the plan?

We're working with our engineers department and emergency funds, possibly FEMA, we're doing rapid assessments and compiling that data for repairs and long term mitigation.

Okay. But the roads portion, is that state highway or city and county?

The roads portion that I'm referring to is an internal road, within Cuyahoga Point State Park, Mokua section.

That's our state?

It's ours. And, but that park is actually, that park section is cut off by the damage to..

Oh, okay.

Road Ferrington Highway. Yeah.

Okay. Alright. Thanks. Thanks, Chair. Thanks.

Oh, sorry, Alan. One more question. So for this resol, are you folks also maybe going to request that some of the nonprofits that do manage the state parks are involved in this discussion as well?

So I'm just sort of coming to grips with this now. I think, in there I think I will have some suggestions, including our economic development specialists.

Okay.

Maybe someone from the National Association of State Parks Directors who do a phenomenal job nationwide at the same kind of things we're pursuing here. Nonprofits would be another good one.

Okay, sounds good. Thank you.

Also a note to that effect if State Parks is chairing, I believe there's language in there that says you can invite whomever else might be appropriate so.

Right, I did see that. Okay,

Thanks

Thanks.

Thank you.

Okay, moving on to SCR 19 and SR 16, requesting the Department of Land and Natural Resources to collaborate with the Department of Education State Public Charter School Commission to develop a student coral stewardship program. Testifying first is DLNR.

Aloha Chair, Vice Chair, Members. Charlie Taylor on behalf of DLNR's Division of Aquatic Resources. We support the intent of this resolution and we encourage the committee to look at our proposed amendments.

Thanks. Up next is Department of Education.

Okay. That's everyone who had signed up to testify on, oh, actually wait, sorry. There's also separate testimony in SCR 16, but did not sign up to testify in person. Okay. As someone who had signed up to testify in these measures, is there anyone else wishing to testify on SCR 19 or SR 16?

Got DOE on this one, yeah. But nobody's here.

Right.

Okay.

Okay, hearing none, are there any questions? Real quick for DAR. Thanks. Your testimony basically flips it is the way I'm reading it, correct me if I'm wrong, so that the DOE, develops a program with you guys, like in coordination rather than you guys develop a program with DOE in coordination. Is that right?

That's correct. And we would be available in any sort of collaborative way that they would like to. We just, I think, feel that it might not be we might not be the best division to implement a program for students, right? I mean, we can help assist with that, but that might be more the kuleana of the DOE, if you were thinking.

Yeah. I guess I'm getting at the developed portion of it.

Sure.

Less the presumably, for implementation, you need, like, funding and, you know, other stuff. But, for developing the program, who would the DOE who would be like the coral experts to...

They don't have anybody.

Yeah.

With regards to any maritime or, or, whatever.

At DOE, you mean?

At DOE. It's gonna be a new venture.

Yeah.

And we're already adding more DOE's programs because I think in the sports world, we're adding something new and it seems like we're going to be overburdened DOE with all these mandates that we do. Sometimes we're not thinking about it, but this is interesting. My personal feeling is I don't think it should be a implementation or a start up from your division.

It'd be helpful, but it's gonna be very costly on top of that time consuming.

Again, yeah.

You're not controlling the school hours and the impacts that now we're gonna have teachers who do, you know, that kind of work. So.

That's our main concern.

Right. I understand that concern. I mean, my, I guess top of my head, I would assume it would be some of the branches in the schools that are more of the STEM or any of the biology focused. I mean, I don't and again, forgive my ignorance on the DOE and how that's all set up or how they implement their own programs, but, I think that was our main concern, was the ask of...

Yeah.

The reports also as well. But I do understand your concern. If DOE's already being tasked with a lot of things like this, this wouldn't help them, but we really are committed to helping in any way. I think we're just afraid of that extra administrative burden.

I guess what I was getting at it is.

Yeah.

Yeah, setting aside the administrative part, because any program we'd have to authorize and someone would have to own that and all that. You know, that comes after you have a proposal that's kind of fleshed out. But as for like developing that, which is the way I read this, that's this first step Because this doesn't implement anything really.

But how do you how do you come up with a substantively viable program? Because it really, you guys are the ones that know how.

Sure.

That works.

Now, if we had to do this, we do have, we have an education department within our division, and this is basically all they do. I mean, they do a lot of, not all they do, but a big focus of their work is either developing educational materials or presenting them to student.

They do a lot of this, so if we were tasked with this, I think that would, we could probably come up with I mean, you know, we could we have a track record of doing similar things, but I don't know about a full program exactly. Ours are more, you know, kinda little yeah. School by school, it's usually a similar thing.

I don't know about a full program. I think it's a really good idea, but, we do have people who could do something like this, I guess, if that's what you're asking. It would take time away from maybe their other commitments they might have. But we do have people who have that expertise, probably, who could help fill that gap.

But it would be better if we were collaborating with someone, I guess, is what I was trying to sya

Yeah.

Are you aware of any charter schools that are working with either nonprofits or DLNR relating to, like like, coral restoration, aquatics, and things like that across the state?

Forgive me since this isn't my area. I don't normally.

Oh, okay.

Work with, we, we do have some collaboration with schools. I know particularly with certain aquaculture programs in particular. I'm not sure about coral restoration programs. These are a little more once once you get to coral restoration, there's a little more, like, high-tech, I guess you would say.

Or not coral restoration.

Yeah.

But just around.

But no. But, yeah, if you're asking in particular, I'm going to have to just unfortunately, I'm ignorant of that. I think we might be, but I apologize.

I don't know exactly.

Oh, okay.

Well, the only reason why I'm asking is because I, I went on a site visit this past interim to Kealakekua Bay. And when we went there, we were greeted by a charter school. So they already were kind of involved.

So I wonder if the, the, what, if the introducer was looking at some that type of model where it's kind of like more community based, and then working with the, you know, relevant stakeholders as far as stewardship and then just kind of like cultivating that within their community, especially if they're close to shoreline.

Exactly. I think that's generally how we approach this as it.

Okay.

Through a whole process, as we're going island by island, we're developing community relationships, and I assume that might have occurred when they were, yeah, recently on Big Island.

Okay, thank you.

Thanks everybody. Thank you very much. Let's move on to SCR 32 and SR 28 requesting the establishment of marine life conservation district carrying capacity study task force to develop a statewide implementation plan. And testifying first, I believe it is DLNR again. Welcome back.

Aloha Chair, Vice Chair, Committee Member, Charlie Taylor on behalf DLNR's Division of Aquatic Resources. We support this measure and are available for any questions.

Thank you. And that's everyone who had signed up to testify on these measures. Is there anyone else wishing to testify this afternoon? Hearing none, thank you everybody. And finally let's move on to the last resolution on the agenda.

SR SCR 22 and SR 19 recognizing the fiftieth anniversary of the restoration of Ahuena Heiau and affirming its unparalleled role in the spiritual, political, and cultural history of the state. We don't have anyone signed up to testify on this. Is there anyone else here this afternoon wishing to testify? Hearing none. Alright.

Thank you everyone. That's the end of our agenda. We're gonna take a quick recess.

Good afternoon. We're reconvene the Committee on Water, Land, Culture, and the Arts on our 1PM agenda for decision making here in Conference Room 224.

Up first, and I'll just note we have a number of resolutions, Concurrent Resolutions and Senate resolutions. We'll be taking the votes on those, pairs together. So up first is SCR 163 and SR 154 reaffirming the legislature's commitment to participate as a member legislature in the Pacific Inter Parliamentary Assembly.

The recommendation is to move this along making technical amendments. There's no discussion. Vice Chair for the votes.

Okay. Chair's recommendation, and this is the Water, Land, Culture and the Arts Committee. Chair's recommendation on SCR 163, SR 154 to pass with amendments. [ROLL CALL] Measure is adopted, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Moving on to SCR 57 and SR 55, endorsing Taiwan's international participation, and supporting the signing of the agreement on avoidance of double taxation and commemorating sister state relationships between state and Taiwan. Also a recommendation to move forward with technical amendments. There's no discussion? Vice Chair.

Okay. Chair's recommendation on SCR 57 and SR 55 to pass with amendments with four members present. Any voting with reservations? Any no votes? Measure is adopted, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Moving on to SCR 169 and SR 160 establishing a sister state relationship between the state of Hawaii and prefecture of Ramagata, Japan. Recommendation is to pass with amendments, making technical amendments. If there's no discussion on that, Vice Chair for the vote.

Chair's recommendation on SCR 169 and SR 160. Is that correct?

Yes.

160 is to pass with amendments with four members present. Any voting with reservations? Any no votes? Hearing none, vice, Chair, measure is adopted.

Thank you. Moving on to SCR 108, authorizing the issuance of a perpetual non exclusive easement covering a portion of state submerged lands and wildlife for drainage and other purposes.

Recommendation is to move this one forward as well, making amendments. We'll adopt DLNR's clarifying language on the three different easements and their respective square footage, and make technical amendments. There's no discussion? Vice Chair.

Chair's recommendation on SCR 108 is to pass with amendments. With four members present, any voting with reservations? Any no votes? Measure is adopted, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Moving on to SCR 159, SR 150, urging the adoption of shared guiding principles for the restoration of Waikiki beaches. Recommendation is to move this one forward as well with amendments.

We'll clarify and add provision regarding public lateral access along the shoreline as a major public purpose for the project along with access for small emergency vehicles to improve public safety, and we'll also amend the whereas clauses to reflect that and make technical amendments. There's no discussion? Vice Chair.

Chair's recommendation on SCR 159 and SR 150 is to pass with amendments. Are there any members voting, four members present, are there any voting with reservations? Any no votes? Measure is adopted, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Moving on to SCR 58 and SR 56. Urging the Division of Boating and Ocean Recreation, DLNR to develop a progressive enforcement framework for parking violations. I would like to recommend moving this forward with amendments. We'll add provisions supporting the department's movement toward their OPR system.

Secondly, we'll also note that other agencies have deputized their own staff to be able to provide citations in lieu of just relying on contracts for towing. So we'll note that as well and support that direction.

Excuse me, Senator. I know you're in the middle of this but they have the tie already.

So with that, we'll make technical amendments and that is it. There's no discussion.

Chair's recommendation on SCR 58 and SR 56 to pass with amendments. With four members present, any voting with reservations? Any no votes? Measure is adopted. Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Moving on to SCR 103, SR 97 urging the division of State Parks DLNR to convene a task force looking at improving state parks and developing appropriate branding and narratives.

I'd like to recommend passing this with amendments, adding a provision with respect to identifying and exploring the best examples of branded revenue generation that are done in other places. And reflecting, or changing some of the whereas clauses to reflect that. If there's no discussion, Vice Chair.

Chair's recommendation on SCR 103 and SR 97 to pass with amendments. With four members present, any voting with reservations? Any no votes? Measure is adopted, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Moving on to SCR 19 and SR 16 requesting DLNR to collaborate with Department of Education and State Public Charter School Commission on developing a student coral stewardship program. I'd like to move this forward with amendments. Excuse me, tasking, oh excuse me. I'd like to make amendments moving this forward.

Just noting that the intent here is not obviously standing up a whole program and implementing, but rather coming up with a framework for what that could look like. And so we'd like to have DAR collaborate with the DOE and Charter School Commission, utilizing their expertise to figure out what that should look like.

And then report back to us so that as things potentially move forward in the future, if there's resources and statutory changes and all those other things that are needed to actually put a program together, and where that would live and who would be responsible at that point, then we can have a discussion on that. But for now, coming up with conceptually what this could look like and what that potential really is.

I might add, Mr. Chair, and I heard in adding to the comments of Senator Lamosao, in my district, the Kanakaoli Commission Charter School, they do, fish ponds. They don't do coral restoration, but they do fish ponds. And there are several charter schools throughout. I know there is one on Maui and I believe on Kauai.

I believe, I'm not sure if we do any on on Oahu, but they are some of the schools doing fish ponds. Okay. And they're organized by private sector, the non profits. And I'm sorry I didn't add that earlier. Okay.

So no further discussion?

Yes. Chair's recommendation on SCR 19 and SR 16 is to pass with amendments. Is that correct, Mr. Chair?

Yes.

Okay, with four members present, any voting with reservations, any no votes? Hearing none, Chair, measure is adopted.

Thank you. Moving on to SCR 32 and SR 28, requesting the establishment of Marine Life Conservation District carrying capacity study task force to develop a statewide implementation plan. Recommendation is to pass as is.

28 and 32, okay. Chair's recommendation on SCR 32 and SR 28 is to pass unamended. With four members present, any voting with reservations, any no votes? Hearing none, Chair, measure is adopted.

Thank you. Finally, for SCR 22 and SR 19, recognizing the fiftieth anniversary of the restoration of Ahuena Heiau and confirming its unparalleled role and the spiritual, political, and cultural history to state. Just to be short, because I haven't had a chance to talk with some of the testifiers, I would like to just defer DM on this until, Wednesday.

Thursday is the, oh, Friday is the holiday.

Yeah. Okay. Till Wednesday at 01:00 here in Conference Room 224.

And that's April what? April 2?

Yeah. No. Sorry. 1:01. 01:01 PM.

What, what's the date?

This Wednesday.

April 1.

April the first. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, everybody. With that, we're adjourned.